PHIL 103 E, Wednesday, 11-15-17

Dewey, "Reconstruction in Philosophy", Chapter 1: "Changing Conceptions of Philosophy"

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Philosophy 103E Wednesday, November 15, 2017 how did you find writing the laws on Dewey anybody experience any difficulties this Webster can you where you’ll you’ll pardon me for saying so but I know that when I feel like understands something but can’t express it inability to express it tells me that I haven’t understood it that doesn’t mean I have not understood anything I haven’t quite work it out something’s missing would you say that describes you’re feeling right I mean it to talk about either you understood it or you didn’t understand it is is not a sufficient pair of alternative what happens only read something difficult we might understand all sorts of things but still can’t quite did together so but going beyond that level of generality would you be willing to say something this Webster about perhaps where you think you had some difficulty I’m In the work tradition has significance for all of us that’s for sure but what what do you need me so you can relate to that something you thought about did you get his point about how something becomes tradition can you well if you have an experienced that doesn’t make it my tradition doesn’t so what what would have to happen before became mind too yeah yeah yes you might tell me about it and it with something important to me to it might become hours which doesn’t mean that we’d be in the same relationship to that what you were reporting but it still will be something shared okay so you have to reported Dooley what’s the word to do when uses for these reports because he wants to emphasize a kind of artistic quality what were just views he doesn’t for example use the word history it depends on memory VeSota history right and in fact duly will tell us it is book about two kinds of memory the other kinds well to kind he wants to distinguish what up what’s when when memory is artistic what word might we use right but that’s an adjective I think what we need a noun before we well Miss Webster talked about how she would tell me so when you tell somebody something you don’t always call that history do you’ve what other words might you use what the E and then it that’s a verb but so I’ll have to can’t turn that into an had a into a noun well that’s that’s over for memory nice we’re having fun with words here you can you turn recounted doing into an now what do you call the thing that you recount why yes that’s the word Dewey uses nobody remember that don’t we think of the story is something not necessarily made but nevertheless some effort has gone into putting it together the words that I thought Mr. King like come up with to go with the recount of recounting is you give an account so don’t wouldn’t really serve the purposes for Dewey but still is another word for reporting that we do and jackets word is often use in connection with history what what is so what’s the point of according to Dewey and this Webster hasn’t a sense already told us that the point of telling telling the stories is that there’s something that we share hey you you can share things without talking about it right so what is talking about do if you give the example of of hunters what exact as my example I can’t remember now you said that was my example yeah but is it Dewey as well is Julie referred to hunting it’s my memory that he does work but I’m not sure but let’s take it as an example anyway you Found it where where got a page it’s alright didn’t have page numbers on it yeah does not have pages okay you know how far into the chapter it is doesn’t give you all of chapter 1 he doesn’t give you any breaks at all that’s what happens when you were not willing to pay for it right okay okay an adventure I’m just saying it is a cheaper version I’m not saying you’re cheap I would never say such a thing so suppose since we started with Miss Webster and me supposed Ms. Webster is Anna is a hunter what’s it to me but Why should I care I know I’m saying that in a little bit obnoxious way to serve challenge you what would be a reason for me to be interested in her hunting yeah daltile you talk about anybody else is just between Ms. Webster and me so what’s it to me was my question now you don’t have to know you’re being imaginative and actually you gain the right answer one thing it might be too me is that she caught some something killed an animal and now maybe it’s my job to cooking or something but in any case we’re both going to eat it right since she was the hunter she’s getting it first bite like to the like the first piece of cake right so but Why should she talk to me about it get tell me a story about should I okay so just a matter of me being grateful to her what are we share we should’ve the food yes and and the food does work for us feels us up and one you’re filled up what happened then you have to empty again right looking to get into a discussion of the digestion so what does it do for us what is it give us but my choice yet you get a satisfaction but what what’s the benefit of eating more basic than that as a yes horse gives you life right so if Ms. Webster and I are in this business together of staying alive that gives us a pretty strong emotional bond doesn’t and so if she were to say just seem to hurt feelings it if I were to say something something like what’s it to me that would be pretty insensitive right it’s everything to me and her skill as a hunter is crucial to my life so she want to tell me a story about what happened like if there were some difficulties or that’s relevant to me because what does it take to deal with difficulties strength courage that’s a good list I’m looking for one more but I like that list sooner coping strategies wonder what kind of course teaches us to talk like that you can you say that in more ordinary English what is it what are you what are you need in order to be able to code S up already contributed to that understanding of what brought your of of what is he trying to do but takes more than understanding is in it so for example for example suppose I understand what it takes to ride a bicycle so one of the things it what it what what something that it takes to ride a bicycle what miss to tell you Archos is that you my murmuring in the back no some other murmur was Duhaney okay sweet week we got you don’t drive tonight because this Bettys is very keen years mine are only in know that come from somewhere did you want to say something I wanted to let X yes yes but know if I want to say jumping of course jumping requires legs but some legs jumped well and others jump for Rider maybe not even at all what is it what are the legs have the jumped well what we wanted what’s the word we use what is the what is a person got in his legs Spring yes because we compare them to springs right right he’s got a lot of spring mean you can jump high so riding a bicycle you might say you need legs a strong legs and coordinate delays need to push the pedals what else do you need what skilled of the let’s get a little more specific what happens to kids when I get on a bike they fall why it’s certainly not because her legs aren’t strong enough what balance riding a bicycle is largely a balancing is in it and it is coordination grades important because because if you try to balance on a bicycle standing still you got a real hard job it but but you have a much more manageable job if you try to do it while moving forward right of the sir work together if you get a little motion going you can so I can I can sit on the sidelines and say that I know that you have to have well coordinated legs and balance and maybe other things too so I can say that I understand what it means right bicycle but not necessarily be able to do it so we’re talking about things people can actually do and that’s why I thought in addition to us what was what will encourage and what else did you say possessive strength yeah and I would’ve added skills and skill or something somewhere like that implies understanding but it but it also indicates understanding that goes into action right we actually do something you don’t just think so is another words if Ms. Webster is hunting and her 66 my my having dinner depends on her success so obviously I’m interested in it from the point of you having dinner but that makes me also interested in it from the point of view makes me interested not just getting to dinner buddy in the to people who have we all sort of start in our connections with each other with necessities like food clothing and shelter but our lives come to involve a lot more than that and so we are concerned with her skills for mental condition things like bravery right ya Ya we could make a list longer night I’m happy puts them on there because if Miss Webster only had enough stamina to get a little bit of food might not be enough for all right okay so so she would be telling me if you told me a story it would presumably be about it that would involve factors like that that are of interest to both of us for all of us if it’s a larger group right now another word that Dewey could’ve used instead of story is song because the ancient cultures that first developed traditions is at least some other ones I know little about take they didn’t just tell the stories a chance of them so for example everything not there to you see the word wrap cells there eat you know the word Rhapsody what is Rhapsody me it’s kind of music is in it imply something that’s melodic the the word comes from Great as many English words do on the rap selves with the people who chance recited Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey for example so originally this was all done from memory and not written down and he didn’t write it down because they didn’t am writing there was a certain points in Greek history in which they got alphabets from the the name of the group in mind forgotten from from the Middle East Phoenicians thank you